This dialogue with Cuong Lu, Buddhist teacher and prison chaplain in the Netherlands, was by far the most moving experience of my podcasting life. Cuong’s wisdom and limitless compassion brought me to tears several times during our time together. He was born in 1968 in Vietnam and grew up in the midst of war only knowing fighting, until his mother moved them to the Netherlands when he was 12 and he experienced friendliness for the first time. He spent many years as a monk with Thich Nhat Hanh and then became a lay Buddhist teacher in 2009. His is a deeply relational dharma , characterized by complete embodiment of interbeing—the empty inseparability of all beings. His remarkable new book, “The Buddha in Jail: Restoring Lives, Finding Hope and Freedom” recounts his unique application of the Buddhist teachings for prisoners who, he asserts “are often able to understand the Dharma more quickly than those whose lives have been easier.” Cuong’s US book tour starts July 22 at Tibet House in NYC and his full is in the show notes.